This was a great discussion we were having on Facebook, good enough that I thought I'd repost it here for anyone who stumbles across it. The debate was still going on but has largely died down now. As always, click the title to see the original.
"Have any of your prayers ever, in actuality, been answered?"
Yes. With a high degree of accuracy to my requests and a high number of such instances.
"Is every single word written in the bible factual, truthful and unambiguous?"
No, yes, and no. The Bible is not a monolithic entity, it's a compilation of books, some of which are compilations in and of themselves. While all of it contains inspired truth, not all of it is factual. For instance, the Genesis myths of creation, or the parables of Christ, these are not meant to be factual accounts of history or science, but stories that relate moral and spiritual truths. While they may have a factual basis, in and of themselves they are not facts.
"If Mohammed, Allah's prophet, came down to earth tomorrow, would you remain a Christian?"
Yes.
"why?"
For the same reason I'm not Muslim now. Islam is illogical. It's a combination of Christian heresy and Arab pagan beliefs. If Mohammed magically appeared and told everyone he was right, I wouldn't believe him based on that, when his entire religion is already absurd. That an event is supernatural doesn't mean that it is of GOD.
We've had deceptions in Christianity too. I can recall one story of a woman who was possessed by a demon, and did miraculous stunts in church, and deceived her whole parish. She'd levitate and speak in tongues, etc. and people thought she was of God, when the reality was that she'd made a pact with a demon for power, and was using it to deceive, by her own admission.
"What are your chances of getting into heaven?"
Whatever God wishes them to be. Such a question cannot be answered by a human mind.
"Why do you think is it impossible to prove anything whatsoever of a supernatural nature?"
What it is impossible to do is prove anything whatsoever, natural or supernatural. The concept of "proof" is frankly absurd. Nothing or almost nothing is provable, as skeptic philosophy has shown numerous times. What little we can prove without any sort of doubt or challenge cannot be called either natural or supernatural, since either one reflects a presupposition in the mind, a baseless assumption without proof. If we get beyond that, then everything is provable.
The real challenge most atheists attempt is to challenge theists to prove God using empirical means, ie science. This is impossible because empiricism and science deal exclusively with observation and study of the natural universe and its properties, it cannot, by definition, reveal anything concerning the supernatural, if the supernatural exists.
"Is it possible that the devout Catholic, Adolph Hitler, could be in heaven if he had truly repented prior to his death?"
*sigh* Adolf Hitler was not a devout Catholic, Adolf Hitler was self-excommunicated, in a state of mortal sin much of his final years, and his writings were very much of a heretical and Protestant nature. He may have been raised Catholic, but he left the Church.
And yes, if he had truly repented he could be in heaven. However, he'd spend a huge amount of time in Purgatory first, so I doubt he's there yet, if he did repent. And I expect he won't be there any time soon.
"Where was your soul prior to your conception?"
Where is a question that doesn't apply to the spiritual.
"To what sorts of depravity would you descend if it were proved there was no god?"
Non-existence cannot be proven, your question is meaningless.
"Why doesn't god show himself anymore?"
Your question cannot be answered, since it precludes God showing Himself, which He does.
"When do you think Christ will come back to earth?"
When two qualifications are met:
1) The Gospel has been preached to everyone, whether they accept it or not.
2) When no one expects or predicts it.
"Why was little or no faith needed to believe in god during Old Testament times (god appeared to humans regularly) yet today christians have to rely on 100% faith for their belief?"
Your question is nonsensical. Faith is a function of belief, you cannot rely on faith for belief, because you are relying on belief in God to have faith in Him by living His commandments.
And faith has always been necessary.
"How would you prove that god exists - without using arguments that someone from another religion would use to prove their god exists, and without reference to the Bible?"
If forced to do so, since I normally don't bother attempting such things, I would argue based on the nature of movement in existence.
"What is the difference between a dream, or hallucination, and a vision from God?"
A dream is a set of images formed in the subconscious while sleeping, which were collected by your mind either as memories/vague impressions of your surroundings or as issues which your mind is unconsciously working out while you sleep.
An hallucination is a delusional vision in which the mind tricks itself into believing it perceives something with the senses which is not real, hence the delusional aspect.
A vision from God is a perception which is based on reality, it is not delusional.
"Why is your god the only valid god?"
You're mistaken. God is the only valid God. All the gods of the world are perfectly valid as gods. Don't confuse the terms.
And the reason for that is because God is that entity whose essence is equal to His existence. No other being is as such.
"By what method do you determine the difference between the voice of God, and the voice of the Devil pretending to be God?"
By being skeptical of all such voices and not trusting myself to be any sort of authority.
"If Christ did come back to earth, what would be your minimum requirement for proof of his authenticity?"
That He come back in the manner He said He would.
Tuesday, May 5, 2009
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I'm trawling through your entire blogroll and I wanted to ask you if you had already provided some sort of Catholic perspective on Islam. I sometimes have atheists asking me why I'm not a Muslim. I don't really know how to answer that. If you've already made a post on that on here, I'll find it eventually and you can disregard. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI have not yet related a complete understanding of a Catholic, or my personal perspective on Islam. The answer to why I'm not Muslim, or the answers any Catholic could give to the same effect are numerous, devastating and frankly fairly simple. In the discussion I was having with Mr. Diga, I was hoping to get into that topic, but he has not replied to the most recent response sent to him, and that was some time ago. I will have to think about a piece outlining some problems I have with Islam.
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